NYT Blog + YouTube Video: Obama’s Security Stepped Up After Strange Heckling Incident
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Strange comments, deranged? i don’t think so; he is most passionate about past family members & others willing to give their lives for the USA & for a presidential candidate to not open with the pledge of allegiance NOW THAT IS MOST STRANGE! It is most STRANGE THAT ANY ONE WOULD TAKE OFFENSE TO HIS PASSION, and most clear how the press & blogger comments; has tried to prejudice the audience that patriotism & support of the constitution is considered STRANGE & DEMENTED!…. if you think his behavior & request is demented, then you have been dumb ed down & brainwashed as to what is truth & passion & patriotism!
PLEASE NOTE I ALSO SUPPORT THOSE WHO WILL NOT PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG/USA…. THEIR ARE THOSE WHO WILL PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE UNTO GOD & THE CONSTITUTION not to any country or flag (Jehovah Witnesses)& NORMALLY DO NOT PARTICIPATE WITH SUCH….it is their God given right, just it is the same God given wright for this patriot to demand respect to the Flag & USA Country pledge of allegiance!…. he is not deranged or out of order.
Posted on 09-Aug-08 at 9:34 pm | PermalinkMichael:
If his “passion” were the only thing at issue, I would agree with you. But it is clear that it is not simply “passion.” It is irrational behavior following a false premise: i.e., his suggestion that simply because it was “billed as a town meeting,” there was some unspoken requirement that the Pledge be said. His irrational focus on this - to the exclusion of propriety, respect of others, etc. - clearly show a derangement that borders on dangerous. Add to this his refusal to identify himself - not to federal agents or security personnel - but to his press colleagues - and the level of “danger” rises precipitously.
He has every right to respect the flag, the Pledge, etc. But his attitude is neurotically obsessive, and borders on psychotic.
Peace.
Posted on 09-Aug-08 at 9:44 pm | PermalinkIan,
It is most sad to see that u too have been “brainwashed” by the Neo Nazi USA fascist like believers; Bushes, Chaney & cabal; is freedom of speech legal today?…. most not! … have they & their system of media brainwashing….brainwashed u too?
It is plane that u r Obama fan, and perhaps can not be objective any longer, i feel. Please not he never verbally attacked Obama, only made a request.
Please consider that the Constitution calls for freedom of speech & freedom to ask questions & make patriotic demands. If you think he is deranged you have been brainwashed by “politically correct behaviuor” which calls for shut your mouth, be a good little boy or girl, a very good but dumbded down citizen!
This USA citizen had PASSION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FOUGHT & DIED FOR OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM OF RIGHTS IN A “TOWN HALL MEETING”!
By the way i personally hate the pledge of allegiance at this time. The past 16 years leader ship, has just about gutted the Constitution & freedom of the USA citizens; very Neo Nazi like don’t u think? anti constitutional…. is it not?
I must applaud this “citizen” & his respectful & passionate & intelligent request & right to answer the Fascist, Neo Nazi like demands to identify himself!
May u come to see that freedom is over without citizen like this! Ian are u really anti freedom of speech; Constitution?
Posted on 09-Aug-08 at 10:32 pm | PermalinkPS; read “This Is Horseshit” that MB posted Friday 8/8/08; for additional “irrational,”neurotically obsessive & borders on psychotic” passion.
What do u have to say about that writers comments & point of view?
Blessings
Posted on 09-Aug-08 at 10:51 pm | PermalinkMichael:
You make an awful lot of assumptions here.
First, I did not support Obama; I was a strong supporter of Hillary, and was actually quite critical of Obama during the primary campaign - so much so that MB “chastised” me quite a few times for my criticism. And even now, I do not like Obama nearly as much as many people, and plan to vote for him almost solely with respect to the Supreme Court, and the fact that I do not want McCain making the next appointments.
Second, as a minister whose primary ministry is counseling, I am trained in psychology, and can see the difference between “passionate” and “unhinged.” The man in the video was clearly unhinged. He is a ticking time bomb, a man with serious underlying anger and resentment issues. This is not to denigrate his obvious love for his country, his flag and the “rituals” of patriotism - though, I would add, that his patriotism borders on the very thing you accuse ME of: fascist nationalism.
Finally, I am not brainwashed in any way; in fact, I can state with almost absolute certainty that my FBI file is FAR thicker than yours; that I have been involved in more anti-government (primarily right wing) and anti-capitalist actions than you have - or, indeed, than most people on Civic. And I am arguably among a handful (possibly more) of people who have studied the so-called “new world order” more deeply than anyone, and have a greater knowledge of its history and current status - and have fought AGAINST it (and its fascist, totalitarian leanings) for longer than most.
So before you start making assumptions about people, you really ought to find out who they are, where they’ve been, what they know and how they function.
Peace.
Posted on 10-Aug-08 at 10:01 am | PermalinkIan, thank u for sharing your take & feelings with such passion!
I too have professional back ground in/from psychology, hospital psychic wards & medical background; the man is NOT unhinged! he is most clearly in charge of his feelings, VERY vocally assertive (perhaps military trained as indicated by the salute & word choices) & should be angry & righteously so… nothing wrong with anger expressed is there?; has not shown any signs of “psychosis” or physical violence….except loud/talking/shouting over the noise & the stupid Neo Nazi like demands that he identify him self is pure “horse shit”; deserving disdainful response & assertiveness against such “horse shit” demands/intrusions…. however his facial features/nose wrinkling are not photogenic like the “politically correct way to look” & “politically correct way to express himself/speaking style”… i guess he is not trained as an actor & say nothing like our politicians are masters of such poise.
By the way, WHY would u ever support any of the pre chosen candidates? Don’t u know there REALLY ARE NO CHOICES… at this time ALL of the candidates who say nothing against the Federal Reserve/IRS; they are ALL UNDER THE JESUIT ORDER control/mandates.
The Jesuits secret societies members at the top level who are the real PUPPET MASTERS of the present cabal of presidential candidates?
Do u understand that the secret societies & not so secret groups have their roots in; & take orders from the “black pope”/Jesuits?
Who r the Federal Reserve owners; who are they connected to in the “secret societies”? Could they be the real puppet masters? If so then the candidates are just “horse shit” puppets with slightly different agendas, but never the less simply pawns of the puppet masters.
Is Ron Paul under the control of the “puppet masters” too?…. he has spoken against the Feds/IRS…
Ian, i am most grateful that u have such passion to be on the FBI person of interest list…. one might think that is really scary & u are un hinged too.
Blessing & Peace
Posted on 10-Aug-08 at 1:31 pm | PermalinkMichael:
Thank you for your kind words.
Since neither of us will get the chance to do a proper work-up on him, we can agree to disagree about the man’s state of mind or psychological issues.
Re “pre-chosen candidates,” I certainly liked Kucinich, Gravel and (to a slightly lesser degree) Paul. However, I am also a realist, and none of them could have won. Of the three final candidates (Clinton, Obama, Edwards), I felt that Hillary was the “lessest of three evils.” I found Edwards trite, and I never bought into the perfumed rhetoric of Obama, who I distrusted practically from the word go. Yes, Hillary has her “issues,” and is part of the “machine,” but I felt her platform was the best, her experience was the best, and I believe she would have done better than Obama will do. As noted, I am voting for Obama mostly (though not solely) to prevent McCain from making SC appointments.
I am not sure where you are getting your info re “Jesuits,” “black popes” and the like, but I agree that “secret societies” (and not-so-secret societies) are the puppet masters of both national and global politics, economics and media. In this regard, yes, ALL candidates are ultimately “controlled” (through CFR, TC, BG, TCG et al) - though this does not mean that they cannot and will not effect SOME positive changes; they always have and always will. As for Paul, I’m not sure where he fits in (same with Kucinich and Gravel).
Re my being “unhinged” (LOL) for being on the “FBI person of interest list,” I do not think I am on that list - at least, not any more. My (fairly thick) file was compiled during my days as a serious activist (~1972 to 1980). However, I doubt the FBI has any more interest in me these days (unless they have been reading Civic, my letters to the NY Times, and my posts to political web forums! LOL).
As for “scary,” I believe that one cannot live one’s life in fear, particularly of “the authorities.” If one is going to be true to oneself - politically, socially, spiritually - then one must do what one feels “right” at all times - no matter the consequences.
Blessing and peace back atcha…
Posted on 11-Aug-08 at 11:47 am | PermalinkHey guys check out Erick Phelps “Vatican Assassins”; great, accurate historical stuff on “Jesuit Order” & “Black Pope”…. although Erick is “passionate” & perhaps “unhinged too”…. i do not agree with ALL of his statements & findings & not necessary into his religious perspective; in my judgmental opinion; his book is a wealth of TRUE Facts & delineates the historical evolution of the “SECRET SOCIETIES” & THEIR INTER CONNECTIONS TO THE BLACK POPE/JESUIT ORDER/Federal Reserve Bankers…. also the conspiracy to murder JFK, he connects the dots…. to Bush & others.
Ian; Blessings/ Shalom, peace be w u.
Posted on 13-Aug-08 at 10:31 pm | PermalinkMichael:
I will check out Phelps. And I would like to suggest that you check out “The Bilderberg Group” by Daniel Estulin. He does an in-depth on the BG, plus looks at CFR, TC and Skull & Bones.
Re JFK and Bush, there is actually a remarkable video (I believe it is about 30-45 minutes long) you can watch on your computer that does a reasonably believable connecting of the JFK assassination to GHWB. Not sure of the name of the video, but it is probably easy to locate.
Peace.
Posted on 13-Aug-08 at 10:38 pm | PermalinkWill ck out Estulins material/book.
Do u remember the RED SEAL “UNITED STATES NOTES” printed from June “63″ until the murder of JFK?… do you remember executive order 11110? (think that is the number, June 63 or so)
Why did the currency have a RED SEAL vs FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (GREEN SEAL)?… Why were they called “UNITED STATES NOTES” VS FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES? ….backed by $480B gold/silver…..
Posted on 14-Aug-08 at 2:26 pm | Permalink