[Mb-civic] Bush in India: Ghandhi

Wed Mar 1 04:28:05 PST 2006

EVEN MEN OF MORAL ALL RIGHTNESS LET ALONE EXCELLENCE
will want to spew
all love mary louise
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Louise smn" <marylouiseparis at hotmail.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Bush in India: Ghandhi


>
>        Yes, Richard,    obscene.      Ghandhi was a charismatic leader.
His
> views on society and freedom changed the history of India.   He said, "As
> soon as we lose the moral basis, we cease to be religious.   There is no
> such thing as religion over-riding morality.  Man, for instance, cannot be
> untruthful, cruel, or incontinent and claim to have God on his side."
> The visitation is a mockery of Ghandi's teaching of  Truth  Love  Peace
> Freedom.
>
>    Not only you, but all men of moral excellence, reading of this visit to
> Rajghat,  will feel revulsion.
>
> marylouise
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-civic at islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Bush in India:  Ghandhi
> >Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:01:16 -0500
> >
> >isnt that obscene mary louise?
> >the antithesis of ghandi laying flowers at his grave
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mary Louise smn" <marylouiseparis at hotmail.com>
> >To: <ean at sbcglobal.net>; <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Bush in India: Ghandhi
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Ghandi's Memorial         I have placed flowers on Ghandi's memorial
in
> > > Rajghat many times.  It is an oasis of calm, peace and reverence.   To
> >quote
> > > Ghandhi      "The moment there is suspicion of a person's motives,
> > > everything he does, become tainted."     I agree with the Indian
people
> >who
> > > are objecting to Mr. Bush's planned visit to  the Rajghat memorial.
> > >       "What differance does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the
> > > homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of
> > > totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and  democracy."
> >Ghandhi
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: ean at sbcglobal.net
> > > >Reply-To: ean at sbcglobal.net, mb-civic at islandlists.com
> > > >To: ean at sbcglobal.net
> > > >Subject: [Mb-civic] Bush in India: Just Not Welcome & poll of
soldiers:
> > > >"GetUs OUT"
> > > >Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:32:01 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Bush in India: Just Not Welcome
> > > >
> > > >By Arundhati Roy
> > > >
> > > >February 27, 2006, The Nation
> > > >
> > > >http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060313/roy
> > > >
> > > >On his triumphalist tour of India and Pakistan, where he
> > > >hopes to wave imperiously at people he considers potential
> > > >subjects, President Bush has an itinerary that's getting
> > > >curiouser and curiouser.
> > > >
> > > >For Bush's March 2 pit stop in New Delhi, the Indian
> > > >government tried very hard to have him address our
> > > >parliament. A not inconsequential number of MPs threatened to
> > > >heckle him, so Plan One was hastily shelved. Plan Two was to
> > > >have Bush address the masses from the ramparts of the
> > > >magnificent Red Fort, where the Indian prime minister
> > > >traditionally delivers his Independence Day address. But the
> > > >Red Fort, surrounded as it is by the predominantly Muslim
> > > >population of Old Delhi, was considered a security nightmare.
> > > >So now we're into Plan Three: President George Bush speaks
> > > >from Purana Qila, the Old Fort.
> > > >
> > > >Ironic, isn't it, that the only safe public space for a man
> > > >who has recently been so enthusiastic about India's modernity
> > > >should be a crumbling medieval fort?
> > > >
> > > >Since the Purana Qila also houses the Delhi zoo, George
> > > >Bush's audience will be a few hundred caged animals and an
> > > >approved list of caged human beings, who in India go under
> > > >the category of "eminent persons." They're mostly rich folk
> > > >who live in our poor country like captive animals,
> > > >incarcerated by their own wealth, locked and barred in their
> > > >gilded cages, protecting themselves from the threat of the
> > > >vulgar and unruly multitudes whom they have systematically
> > > >dispossessed over the centuries.
> > > >
> > > >So what's going to happen to George W. Bush? Will the
> > > >gorillas cheer him on? Will the gibbons curl their lips? Will
> > > >the brow-antlered deer sneer? Will the chimps make rude
> > > >noises? Will the owls hoot? Will the lions yawn and the
> > > >giraffes bat their beautiful eyelashes? Will the crocs
> > > >recognize a kindred soul? Will the quails give thanks that
> > > >Bush isn't traveling with Dick Cheney, his hunting partner
> > > >with the notoriously bad aim? Will the CEOs agree?
> > > >
> > > >Oh, and on March 2, Bush will be taken to visit Gandhi's
> > > >memorial in Rajghat. He's by no means the only war criminal
> > > >who has been invited by the Indian government to lay flowers
> > > >at Rajghat. (Only recently we had the Burmese dictator
> > > >General Than Shwe, no shrinking violet himself.) But when
> > > >Bush places flowers on that famous slab of highly polished
> > > >stone, millions of Indians will wince. It will be as though
> > > >he has poured a pint of blood on the memory of Gandhi.
> > > >
> > > >We really would prefer that he didn't.
> > > >
> > > >It is not in our power to stop Bush's visit. It is in our
> > > >power to protest it, and we will. The government, the police
> > > >and the corporate press will do everything they can to
> > > >minimize the extent of our outrage. Nothing the happy
> > > >newspapers say can change the fact that all over India, from
> > > >the biggest cities to the smallest villages, in public places
> > > >and private homes, George W. Bush, the President of the
> > > >United States of America, world nightmare incarnate, is just
> > > >not welcome.
> > > >
> > > >[Arundhati Roy, the Booker Prize-winning author of 'The God of
> > > >Small Things' and 'The Ordinary Person's Guide to Empire',
> > > >lives in New Delhi, India.]
> > > >
> > > >© 2006 The Nation
> > > >
> > > >-------
> > > >
> > >
> >
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060228/cm_huffpost/016497;_ylt=A86.I17t
> > > >fQRElUIBaxH9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhd
> > > >A--
> > > >
> > > >John Zogby: On a New Poll Of U.S. Soldiers During Their
> > > >Service in Iraq
> > > >
> > > >John Zogby
> > > >
> > > >Tue Feb 28, 11:03 AM ET
> > > >
> > > >In wars of America's century just past, we have sent our soldiers to
> > > >far-off fields of battle and were left to wonder about their opinions
> >of
> > > >the life-and-death conflicts in which they were involved.
> > > >
> > > >Letters home, and more recently telephone calls and emails, would
give
> >us
> > > >a peek into their states of mind. Some who returned would regale
> >friends
> > > >and family with tales from the front lines.
> > > >
> > > >Times have now changed. A first-ever survey of U.S. troops on the
> >ground
> > > >fighting a war overseas has revealed surprising findings, not the
least
> >of
> > > >which is that an overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops in
> >Iraq
> > > >think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year.
> > > >
> > > >Further, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows that
> >more
> > > >than one in four (29%) thought the U.S. should pull its troops
> > > >immediately.
> > > >
> > > >The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College's Center for
> > > >Peace and Global Studies, also showed that another 22% of the
> >respondents,
> > > >serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should
> > > >leave Iraq in the next six months. One in every five troops - 21% -
> >said
> > > >troops should be out between six and 12 months. Nearly a quarter -
23%
> >-
> > > >said they should stay "as long as they are needed."
> > > >
> > > >The troops have drawn different conclusions about fellow citizens
back
> > > >home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop
> > > >withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those
Americans
> >are
> > > >unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don't believe a
> >continued
> > > >occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a
> >quick
> > > >withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a
> > > >pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans
> > > >understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq.
> > > >
> > > >At 55%, reservists serving in Iraq were most likely to see those back
> >home
> > > >as unpatriotic for wanting a rapid withdrawal, while 45% of Marines
and
> > > >33% of members of the regular Army agreed.
> > > >
> > > >The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country
> >say
> > > >the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it
is
> > > >either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no
> >understanding
> > > >of it at all, or are unsure. Nearly nine of every 10 - 85% - said the
> >U.S.
> > > >mission is "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9-11 attacks,"
while
> >77%
> > > >said they believe the main or a major reason for the war was "to stop
> > > >Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq."
> > > >
> > > >Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction
is
> >not
> > > >a reason for U.S. troops being there. Instead, that initial rationale
> >went
> > > >by the wayside and, in the minds of 68% of the troops, the real
mission
> > > >became to remove Saddam Hussein.
> > > >
> > > >Just 24% said that "establishing a democracy that can be a model for
> >the
> > > >Arab World" was the main or a major reason for the war. Only small
> > > >percentages see the mission there as securing oil supplies (11%) or
to
> > > >provide long-term bases for US troops in the region (6%).
> > > >
> > > >More than 80% of the troops said they did not hold a negative view of
> > > >Iraqis because of continuing insurgent attacks against them. Only
about
> > > >two in five see the insurgency as being comprised of discontented
> >Sunnis
> > > >with very few non-Iraqi helpers.
> > > >
> > > >On this question there appears to be some confusion among the troops,
> >but
> > > >two in every three do not agree that if non-Iraqi terrorists could be
> > > >prevented from crossing the border into Iraq, the insurgency would
end.
> > > >
> > > >To control the insurgency, a majority of respondents (53%) said the
> >U.S.
> > > >should double both the number of troops and bombing missions, an
option
> > > >absolutely no one back in Washington is considering.
> > > >
> > > >Reservists were most enthusiastic about using bombing runs and a
> >doubling
> > > >of ground troops to counter the enemy, with 70% agreeing that would
> >work
> > > >to control the insurgency. Among regular Army respondents, 48%
favored
> > > >more troops and bombing, and 47% of Marines agreed. However, 36% of
> > > >Marines said they were uncertain that strategy would work, compared
to
> > > >just 9% of regular Army, 6% of National Guard respondents, and 2% of
> > > >reservists who said they were not sure.
> > > >
> > > >Those in Iraq on their first tour of duty were less optimistic that
> >more
> > > >troops and bombing runs would work. While 38% of first-timers agreed,
> >62%
> > > >of those on their second tour and 53% in Iraq at least three times
> >favored
> > > >more U.S. troops and firepower.
> > > >
> > > >As new photos of prisoner abuse in Iraq surface, a majority of troops
> > > >serving there said they oppose harsh interrogation methods. A
majority
> >-
> > > >55% - said it is not appropriate or standard military conduct to use
> >harsh
> > > >and threatening methods on possible insurgent prisoners to
information
> >of
> > > >military value.
> > > >
> > > >Among all respondents, 26% said they were on their first tour of duty
> >in
> > > >Iraq, while 45% said they were on their second tour, and 29% said
they
> > > >were in Iraq for a third time, or more. Three of every four were male
> > > >respondents, with 63% under the age of 30.
> > > >
> > > >The survey included 944 military respondents interviewed at several
> > > >undisclosed locations throughout Iraq. The names of the specific
> >locations
> > > >and specific personnel who conducted the survey are being withheld
for
> > > >security purposes. Surveys were conducted face-to-face using random
> > > >sampling techniques. The margin of error for the survey, conducted
Jan.
> >18
> > > >through Feb. 14, 2006, is +/- 3.3 percentage points.
> > > >
> > > >In other words, the poll is a sound, solid measurement of what is
going
> > > >through the minds of our front-line warriors. It's no letter home,
but
> > > >it's still good to hear from them.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >"A war of aggression is the supreme international crime." -- Robert
> > > >Jackson,
> > > >  former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice and Nuremberg prosecutor
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