[Mb-civic] The return of the draft

[Robin McNamara]

You better stop smoking now  mother fucker ( I hate to be so blunt) other 
wise your thought process  will end sooner than you think, I am far from on 
a heath kick & I smoke erb but it is a miniscule  few  few joints 
comparatively to a devastating smoking habit.

Peace
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft


>i waso getting so senile i forgot for a second that al baraka and alexander
> were the same person; ill stop smoking by the time im 50, no 55
> no...................
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury at granderiver.net>
> To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:35 AM
> Subject: [Mb-civic] The return of the draft
>
>
>> Re:  The return of the draft
>>
>>
>> Al Baraka wrote:
>>
>> =======
>> That would be great, Cheese, but how do we get there from the bloody mess
> we
>> are in now? What pragmatic steps can be taken? Just about all the
>> contributors to MBC knew that Bush, Blair et al were lying to us from the
>> start (ie before the Iraq war and indeed about just about everything else
>> ever since) and we foresaw pretty clearly the consequences of their
>> wickedness and the situation we are now in and a fat lot of good it did 
>> us
>> and the millions of people around the world who thought the same way. 
>> Bush
>> was reelected on 2 nov 2004 and Blair looks certain to be reelected in 
>> the
>> UK in May 2005. We all believe we can see the problem and you for one
> write
>> very movingly about it - so how are we going start solving it? It is
> pretty
>> complicated - this particular onion has many many skins.
>> =======
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, I'll step down for a moment from my relatively useless inflammatory
>> rhetoric that millions of people are spouting just like me around the
>> planet, and go for the gusto and punch up a Real Solution.
>>
>> Hmmm...  Ok, you got me on that one, there ain't a solution.
>>
>> LOL........
>>
>> In America, at least, we are living under a relatively hunkered down
>> Military Industrial Dictatorship that could care less if we want a Draft
>> brought back or not, as they need foot soldiers to secure various arenas
> in
>> the new global conquest game.
>>
>> So we're basically probably going to have a Draft, and already have a 
>> Back
>> Door Draft as they refer to it, with even current military personnel
>> currently suing our government for breach of contract as they just keep
>> extending their enlistment unlawfully.
>>
>> Add to that, that we have a party calling themselves "Republicans" who
> have
>> basically been hoping to turn back the clock to the early 1900's where
>> robber barons ruled the world unchallenged, and such things as rights,
>> votes, welfare of people children etc were basically nonexistent.
>>
>> And it all tied together in one big neat bundle means they can just about
> do
>> anything they want.
>>
>> The only *real* solution to things such as not desiring a New Draft and
> how
>> to avoid it, is to get about 10 million people and march on Washington
> D.C.
>> in protest.
>>
>> However, given that we cannot *organize* a 10 million person protest 
>> march
>> on D.C. currently, that offers little hope until the Draft legislation
>> actually hits the table firmly in Congress, and then maybe at *that* late
>> date, people will start *really* organizing "in protest".
>>
>> Americans always wait until *after* the fact about so many things to
> squeak
>> up, and, just like now, after the fact, it is usually too late.
>>
>> But, hey, I could keep typing this crap until the sun goes down, and we
>> would be no closer to "A Real Solution" than at the time I began typing
> it.
>>
>> But I will typing anyway.  Useless or not.
>>
>> Let's again look at the Facts, though, just to clear my mind.
>>
>> We're under a military industrial dictatorship.
>>
>> We invaded Afghanistan, which supplies 90 percent of all heroin to Europe
>> and England, to put people in power who give a rat's *ss about Afghanis,
>> while regular Afghanis are dying in hovels in the slums there after being
>> invited back by "the new guys".
>>
>> Score one major great victory for America right there.  If the poppies
> that
>> make heroin weren't there, and we weren't going to get a piece of that
> drug
>> money pie under the table in the process, we probably wouldn't have
> bothered
>> going after something called the Taliban.
>>
>> We invaded Iraq, spent about a half a trillion dollars almost between the
> 2,
>> basically accomplished nothing except to piss off a whole lot of people
> and
>> make them even more adamant in their "Anti-American" stances, and are now
>> spreading ourselves militarily thin and need more personnel to, among
> other
>> things, man those neat 14 permanent military bases we have already 
>> started
>> construction on in Iraq, as we send drones into Iran as scouts, preparing
>> for an invasion of that country with the aid of Israel, or visa versa.
>>
>> We're going to need *lots* more military personnel for that one also.
>>
>> Ok, so now that we've established that A New Draft will *definitely*
> arrive
>> in one form or another, as we are currently under a Government that
> controls
>> the House, the Senate, the White House, most of The Supreme Court, the
>> Department of Justice, Etc, and is currently overseas invaded whomever in
>> The Middle East that has oil underground who is stupid enough to let us
>> undermine what little credibility they have in the international
> community,
>> there's probably not much anyone can really do to avoid a Draft in the
>> coming future.
>>
>> Bush will be in office until when, 2009...?   Geez, that *certainly* 
>> seems
>> like a long time, doesn't it.
>>
>> By then we will be so deeply embroiled in various wars in The Middle 
>> East,
>> that whomever inherits it won't be able to *not* continue a Draft without
>> simply abandoning our military arenas on all fronts and simply pull our
> kids
>> back home.
>>
>> We are so broke *already*, that kids of The Poor are already scrambling
> just
>> to get *in* to the military, so they can have an income other than
>> McDonalds.
>>
>> The Solution...?  I don't really know.  A revolution..?  They would just
>> call out the storm troopers and they would shoot us all, so there will be
> no
>> Boston Tea Parties anytime soon coming down the alleys of Freedom.
>>
>> A 10 million person march..?  That sounds reasonable.  All one has to do
> is
>> organize it and implement it.  However, since Americans do not 
>> *currently*
>> see a DRASTIC need to get such a thing together and do it, it remains one
> of
>> the farthest things from their minds.
>>
>> Amazing that someone must now re-teach America how to relive the 60's and
>> the political activism that was born during and from that pooh poohed era
> of
>> long hair, pot, and hippie music.
>>
>> They have their heads in televisions, video games, fast cars, and
>> refrigerators.
>>
>> They forgot that they actually have to fight to keep their Freedoms alive
>> here in their own country.
>>
>> Entrusted their own well being to Capitalist Communists for the most 
>> part,
>> and are now reaping the results of their own complacency, and their
> children
>> are paying for it, currently and in the future, by coming back in body
> bags.
>>
>> Solution...?  Probably isn't one.  Most likely 50 years from now there
> won't
>> even be an Internet as we know it now, the Government will have most
> likely
>> taken that over by then as well.
>>
>> The Federalist Society.  Who belongs to that, I forgot.  Scalia, 
>> Ashcroft,
>> etc etc etc etc etc.
>>
>> They believe the clock should be turned back to a time where men were 
>> men,
>> robber barons ruled the world, women were to cook and shut up, and it was
>> allright for children to work in the coal mines, especially when the 
>> roofs
>> of the tunnels were too small for adults.
>>
>> And they are now in the position to actually make it all happen in
> reality.
>>
>> A new Draft appears to be merely another sore popping to the surface of a
>> humongous deadly disease that has eaten what was left of Democracy,
> Freedom,
>> Rights, etc in America.
>>
>> If one can NOT wrest the power from the hands of these current
> unscrupulous,
>> yes, let's call them what they really are, "REPUBLICANS", then getting A
> New
>> Draft cancelled is impossible.
>>
>> So, the *real* question is not how to stop a new Draft, but how to remove
>> the actual power from these Fascists who basically now run the entire
>> Federal Government.
>>
>> The draft thing will naturally follow the solution of that previous
>> question.
>>
>> How to remove them from Power.
>>
>> Our forefathers would have had a *real* revolution, as they realized that
>> was the *only* way to remove such tyrants, as exampled as their actions
>> toward England in their original revolution.
>>
>> Today, again, however, they will just gun us down like dogs if we get 
>> "too
>> out of hand", so "revolution" seems just like some nice song on some
> Beatles
>> album I heard long ago.
>>
>> Politically remove their Power...?  While they **virtually** control the
>> entire Federal Government, that basically remains a complete
> impossibility.
>>
>> So, then.....    What the f*ck options are we really left with.
>>
>> Well....   Hmmm....   Lemme see....
>>
>> What did THEY use to build the bedrock of their Power on, other than
>> compliant treason from various entities in America, including various
>> corporations, judges, medias, etc.
>>
>> Ah, yes, that's right.      Propaganda.
>>
>> They used simple Propaganda to eliminate some little thing called The
> Truth.
>>
>> And, the Media, it has become apparent, is in it with them.
>>
>> Ahhh...  Ok, then that leaves us with *what* weapon as a last resort...?
>>
>> Propaganda.
>>
>> Ok, but for sanity's sake, we'll say that for fighting fire with fire,
>> Propaganda with Propaganda, whereas they used Lies, Half-Truths, and
>> Delusional Bullsh*t for their Propaganda, we will use The Truth.
>>
>> Ok, so here we have our weapon, if this be the only weapon left available
> to
>> us, Propaganda, or, The Truth.
>>
>> Allright, so spreading that takes MONEY.
>>
>> And that, other than an actual revolution, since political removal of
> their
>> Power appears impossible at this late date, and a 10 million person march
> on
>> D.C. would be like trying to get an enemated elephant off the toilet,
>> appears to be the closest thing that I can come up with an actual 
>> Solution
>> from my tiny uneducated brain.
>>
>> Since most "Administrations'" "criminal activities" are usually, in
> America,
>> only prosecuted LONG after the Administration leaves office, trying to 
>> use
>> legal means to unseat them from Power also appears useless, at least in 
>> an
>> immediate light.
>>
>> 50 years from now, long after I'm gone, someone might read this and say
>> "What is THAT crap?  Throw that garbage on the fire and hand me another
> clip
>> for the rifle..."
>>
>> And *that* is where we're heading, as you and so many others now realize.
>>
>> So, let's see, we've gone over possible Solutions, let's just relist them
>> again, for removing THE REPUBLICAN FASCIST PARTY from the Power it
> currently
>> holds in America and its stranglehold control over the ENTIRE Federal
>> Government at this time.
>>
>> 1.  Political.  Won't work.  We don't have the numbers except for a
>> filibuster now and then.
>>
>> 2.  Legal.  Apparently all the lawyers in America are currently on
>> thorazine, and won't sue Administrations, normally, until long after they
>> are out of office.  Won't work either.
>>
>> 3.  Revolution.  No can do.  They will shoot us down like dogs.
>>
>> 4.  10 million person march on D.C.  Might work.  Can't get Americans to
> get
>> off their butts, however, to do it until long after the *necessity* for
>> doing it has arrived and gone.
>>
>> 5.  Counter-Propaganda campaign.  Might work if one has the umpteen
> millions
>> (billions) of dollars made available to them that it would take to engage
>> the current Republican Propaganda now firmly in place, with some obscure
>> thing called The Truth.  Would have to circumvent the Media who is also
>> complicit in the current Treason and Betrayal of America somehow.  Buying
>> them off remains an option.  As Hitler or someone said, if you repeat the
>> same thing over and over and over to a people, convince them that there
> are
>> Crisises all around them, and then point at any ignoramus enemy, they 
>> will
>> throw all their eggs in with you, which is basically how the Republicans
>> have managed their Propaganda campaign very nice and tight so far.  Might
>
>> work.  Need the cash and organization and brains to pull it off though.
>>
>>
>> About 25 percent of votes elected Bush in 2001 came from right wing
>> Christian nuts who have been progandasized by The Republicans as to
>> everything from Gays, to Food Stamps, to Welfare, to Abortion, to
> Liberals,
>> to Democrats, to Clinton Getting Head In The Oval Office, to You Name It.
>> In 2004, the same thing happened, except it was about 50 percent of the
>> votes that came from those people, and this time their actual priests
>> preached them a sermon based basically on The Political Platform Of The
>> Republican Party, on the Sunday before the Tuesday of the Presidential
>> Election.
>>
>> Even if an anti-Propaganda campaign (The Truth) is found to be an
> acceptable
>> and viable and financeable weapon of choice, *those* particular people
> will
>> probably not respond whatsoever, as they long ago gave up their common
> sense
>> for anything spoken by anyone who used the name of Jesus along with it.
>>
>> That's about 25 million sure votes the Republicans will, most likely,
> always
>> be able to count on, as they are easily duped into any kind of betrayal 
>> of
>> Democracy, again, as long as the word "Jesus" is used to frame it with.
>>
>>
>> Other than that, I don't really see any other "solution" hanging around,
>> other than "Reaching The People With The Truth", which, again, will take
>> LOTS of money, organization, and brain power.  That someone has not
> already
>> done it astounds me.
>>
>> Remove their Power, the Wars, and, consequently, any need for A New Draft
>> will easily follow.
>>
>> Convincing "The Military" to give up some of their budgets, powers, and
>> secrecy is an entirely different matter, lol, especially since they have
>> just spent so much money on so many new toys that can broil your kidneys,
>> boil the water under your skin, or put actual thoughts into your cranium.
>>
>> All put together, The Republicans, with The Military, with The
> Corporations,
>> with The Media, it looks like one big pile of sh*t, which, again, yes,
>> you're right, so many can now plainly see.
>>
>> A "Solution"...?  Well, if you can't get "The Truth Campaign" off the
>> ground, there is always "Revolution" waiting in the wings just waiting 
>> for
>> some really stupid Americans to dust it off.
>>
>> While seemingly extremely unpalatable now, 50 years from now, that will 
>> be
>> the last option left available to anyone.
>>
>> Or we can just change our name to Palestine and keep pretending.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheeseburger
>>
>> .
>>
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