[Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18
Robin McNamara
olhippie at tampabay.rr.com
Sun Feb 6 16:03:57 PST 2005
Michael
Who is the 'residant' of our clergy I am curoius.
Love forever
Robin
--- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:56 PM
Subject: [Mb-civic] Re: Mb-civic Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18
> All,
> Ian says that Bush is not the Anti-Christ.
> I must defer to that coming from our resident clergy.
> Bush could be worse.
>
>
>
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>> 1. EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (Michael Butler)
>> 2. EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names (Michael Butler)
>> 3. Re: EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ... (richard haase)
>> 4. Re: Why I Like Dean-Michael (Robin McNamara)
>> 5. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
>> 6. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
>> 7. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
>> 8. Re: Anti-Christ (Ian)
>> 9. Re: Anti-Christ (richard haase)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:40:06 -0800
>> From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>> To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <BE2A5306.1D4F4%michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>
>> latimes.com
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
>> And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>>
>> February 5, 2005
>>
>> Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
>> SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
>> sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last month,
>> James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
>> SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and his
>> soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a
>> homosexual
>> cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming,
>> role
>> model for kids.
>>
>> Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it, the
>> more
>> a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long
>> assumed
>> were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
>> monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to something,
>> and
>> as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
>> examples:
>>
>> ? Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates, but
>> who
>> really buys those twin beds?
>>
>>
>>
>> ? Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named George.
>> No
>> wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
>>
>> ? The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
>> carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally
>> carries
>> on ? unmanly in the extreme.
>>
>> ? Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and Robin
>> the
>> Boy Wonder? Come on.
>>
>> ? Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents should
>> have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced
>> into
>> town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the
>> rats
>> danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe music,
>> the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
>>
>> ? Peter Pan may be straight ? he seems to have a thing for Wendy ? but
>> his
>> relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another concern.
>> The
>> lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter
>> Pan
>> has not been sufficiently explored.
>>
>> ? There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious
>> gender
>> confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes
>> over,
>> sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible
>> (read,
>> female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them as
>> little winged elephants.
>>
>> ? Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She mostly
>> pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie,
>> often
>> calls her "Sir." Hmm.
>>
>> It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about
>> eroding
>> family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
>> constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages our
>> children ? and those of generations past ? imbibed with their bedtime
>> bottles.
>>
>> If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
>> latimes.com/archives.
>> TMS Reprints
>> Article licensing and reprint options
>>
>>
>>
>> Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:46:52 -0800
>> From: Michael Butler <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL Naming U.N. Names
>> To: Civic <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <BE2A549C.1D4F9%michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> washingtonpost.com
>> Naming U.N. Names
>>
>>
>>
>> Saturday, February 5, 2005; Page A18
>>
>> THE FIRST and most important point to make about the preliminary report
>> on
>> corruption in the United Nations' oil-for-food program is that it is not
>> a
>> whitewash. Despite dark hints that Paul A. Volcker, the former Federal
>> Reserve chairman who led the investigation, was too chummy with the U.N.
>> bosses, Thursday's report did name names. Most notably, it accused Benon
>> Sevan of having received the rights to purchase millions of barrels of
>> discounted oil from Iraqi officials while he was serving as the director
>> of
>> the oil-for-food program. Suspicions that Kofi Annan, the U.N. secretary
>> general, would try to sweep the story under the carpet also have not
>> proven
>> correct. Mr. Annan has announced that he will pursue disciplinary
>> proceedings against Mr. Sevan and other U.N. officials.
>>
>> The question now is what, if anything, these findings say about the
>> United
>> Nations itself. Congressional critics who see something unique or unusual
>> in
>> this report of U.N. corruption should look harder at the behavior of
>> American, British and other companies in Iraq during that period: The
>> vast
>> majority of the oil smuggling had nothing to do with the United Nations
>> and
>> everything to do with the Western companies and governments that were
>> benefiting, one way or another, from the Iraqi sanctions. More to the
>> point,
>> U.N. Security Council members, including the United States, turned a
>> blind
>> eye to allegations of corruption while it was going on, and they may have
>> even used it to benefit U.S. allies in the region. Mr. Volcker has said
>> that
>> he has found more openness and willingness to share documents about these
>> issues in the United Nations than in some corners of the U.S. government.
>>
>> It is also true, however, that the oil-for-food scandal should provide a
>> lesson for those who continue to believe that the United Nations can or
>> should play a larger political role than it does today. The U.N. serves
>> many
>> useful and necessary functions, including the coordination of
>> international
>> relief. Peacekeeping troops flying the U.N. flag can help monitor
>> cease-fires in regions where there is a genuine peace to keep. But this
>> is
>> an organization that is severely limited in its capacity to manage
>> complex
>> financial and political programs, both by its necessarily politicized
>> hiring
>> practices and by its lack of funds. It is not an organization that can
>> operate well in war zones such as Bosnia or Congo, or in deeply corrupt
>> countries such as Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
>>
>> The U.N. oil-for-food report should not be used as yet another excuse for
>> U.N.-bashing by citizens of countries whose governments behaved at least
>> as
>> badly in prewar Iraq. At the same time, it should force those in this
>> country and around the world who believe that international organizations
>> will soon take the place of nation-states to think twice.
>>
>> ? 2005 The Washington Post Company
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:21:27 -0500
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <009801c50bb7$e3e566f0$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> i think peter pan is really a lesbian
>> lol
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:40 PM
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] EDITORIAL And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>>
>>
>> latimes.com
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-seuss5feb05.story
>> And as for the Seven Dwarfs ...
>>
>> February 5, 2005
>>
>> Readers of this page may recall our cynicism at recent reports that
>> SpongeBob SquarePants, who we thought was just a treacly cartoon
>> sponge-person, actually has lurid designs on young children. Last month,
>> James Dobson, Focus on the Family's thoughtmeister, declared that
>> SpongeBob's penchant for holding hands with his male starfish pal and his
>> soft and swishy, er, squishy demeanor signals that he is really a
>> homosexual
>> cartoon sponge. Bob, he suggested, is an unsuitable, if not alarming,
>> role
>> model for kids.
>>
>> Although we were initially skeptical, the more we thought about it, the
>> more
>> a subterranean world of deviance became evident in what parents long
>> assumed
>> were harmless children's classics. Dobson and the other family-values
>> monitors who defend his SpongeBob "outing" are clearly on to something,
>> and
>> as a public service, we'd like to point out some of the more obvious
>> examples:
>>
>> ? Bert and Ernie. Two guys, Sesame Street pals, longtime roommates, but
>> who
>> really buys those twin beds?
>>
>>
>>
>> ? Nancy Drew and her loyal sidekicks, Bess and the aptly named George.
>> No
>> wonder Ned Nickerson never gets to first base.
>>
>> ? The Cowardly Lion from "The Wizard of Oz." He wears a red hair bow,
>> carries Dorothy's basket on occasion, sobs and faints and generally
>> carries
>> on < unmanly in the extreme.
>>
>> ? Superman and Spider-Man have proper girlfriends. But Batman and Robin
>> the
>> Boy Wonder? Come on.
>>
>> ? Staying with the men-in-tights-and-capes theme, Hamelin parents should
>> have known that the Pied Piper was trouble from the moment he pranced
>> into
>> town promising to clear up a severe vermin infestation. Soon after the
>> rats
>> danced their way into the river, lured to their deaths by his pipe music,
>> the guy goes after the local kids. An obvious pedophile.
>>
>> ? Peter Pan may be straight < he seems to have a thing for Wendy < but
>> his
>> relationship with the fairy worries us. Captain Hook is another concern.
>> The
>> lacy shirts and tight pants may be a tipoff, and his fixation on Peter
>> Pan
>> has not been sufficiently explored.
>>
>> ? There is no doubt that Horton the elephant exhibits some serious
>> gender
>> confusion. When Mayzie flies off in search of adventure, Horton takes
>> over,
>> sitting on the feckless bird's nest for 51 long weeks. So responsible
>> (read,
>> female) is he that when the eggs finally hatch, Dr. Seuss draws them as
>> little winged elephants.
>>
>> ? Peppermint Patty is another one with evident gender issues. She mostly
>> pals around with the girls in "Peanuts," and her best friend, Marcie,
>> often
>> calls her "Sir." Hmm.
>>
>> It's no surprise that millions of Americans are worried sick about
>> eroding
>> family values and gay marriage. But abstinence-only education and a
>> constitutional amendment won't begin to untangle the twisted messages our
>> children < and those of generations past < imbibed with their bedtime
>> bottles.
>>
>> If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at
>> latimes.com/archives.
>> TMS Reprints
>> Article licensing and reprint options
>>
>>
>>
>> Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-civic mailing list
>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 14:48:27 -0600
>> From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie at tampabay.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <001b01c50bc4$0b389400$40022341 at CowBox>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> I totally agree with you about Dean, he got a "bad rap" during the
>> election.
>>
>> Peace
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:57 AM
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Why I Like Dean-Michael
>>
>>
>>> I do hope he is made the Chairman of the DNC. He has proved the ability
>>> to
>>> organize cross country/sex/ethnic lines which is so needed. He will
>>> inspire
>>> followers not as a candidate but as an organizer.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> The New York Times
>>> February 5, 2005
>>> OP-ED COLUMNIST
>>> A Short History of Deanism
>>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>>
>>> As you may recall, Ralph Kramden was a member of the Raccoon Lodge in
>>> "The
>>> Honeymooners."
>>>
>>> Back in the 1950's, tens of millions of Americans were members of
>>> fellowship
>>> associations like the Elks Lodges, the Rotary Clubs and the
>>> Soroptimists.
>>> These groups had lodges or chapters across the nation, where the
>>> affluent
>>> and not so affluent, the educated and not so educated, would get
>>> together
>>> once a week or so for schmoozing and community service.
>>>
>>> But as Prof. Theda Skocpol of Harvard has demonstrated, these fraternal
>>> associations lost members in the 1960's. Instead, groups like NOW, Naral
>>> and
>>> the Heritage Foundation emerged as the important associations in
>>> American
>>> life. But these groups were not like the old fellowship organizations.
>>>
>>> Many of these groups were formed to champion some specific cause.
>>> Instead
>>> of
>>> relying on a vast network of local chapters, they tend to organize their
>>> work from central offices in New York or Washington, with a professional
>>> staff. They raise money through direct mail appeals or by asking for
>>> foundation grants.
>>>
>>> These new groups are dominated by experts - people who live within the
>>> network of grant officers, activists and scholars. Being a member of one
>>> of
>>> these organizations doesn't generally involve going to a local lodge
>>> once
>>> a
>>> week and communing with your neighbors; it involves sending a check once
>>> a
>>> year and reading a newsletter.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, as Skocpol observes in her book "Diminished Democracy,"
>>> these
>>> new organizations tend not to bring people together across class lines.
>>> In
>>> 1980, at a time when about 15 percent of the electorate had a college
>>> degree, roughly 80 percent of the members of the Sierra Club and Naral
>>> were
>>> college graduates.
>>>
>>> The decline of fraternal associations and the emergence of these
>>> professionally run groups for the educated class diminished communal
>>> life.
>>> The change also reshaped politics.
>>>
>>> Since the 1960's there has been a breakdown in the machinery that
>>> allowed
>>> Americans to work together across class and other divisions. The
>>> educated
>>> class has come to dominate, and the issues of interest to that class
>>> overshadow issues of interest to the less educated and less well off.
>>>
>>> But the two major parties were affected unequally. The Republican
>>> coalition
>>> still contains some cross-class associations, like the N.R.A. and the
>>> evangelical churches, which connect corporate elites to the middle
>>> classes.
>>> The Democratic coalition has fewer organizations like that. Its elite -
>>> the
>>> urban and university-town elite - has less contact with the less
>>> educated.
>>>
>>> Not coincidentally, Republicans have a much easier time putting together
>>> electoral majorities.
>>>
>>> The story doesn't end there.
>>>
>>> Over the past two years, what we might loosely call the university-town
>>> elite has come to dominate the Democratic Party not just intellectually,
>>> but
>>> financially as well.
>>>
>>> Howard Dean, in his fervent antiwar phase, mobilized new networks of
>>> small
>>> donors, and these donors have quickly become the money base of the
>>> party.
>>> Whereas Al Gore raised only about $50 million from individuals in 2000,
>>> John
>>> Kerry raised $225 million, including $87 million over the Internet
>>> alone.
>>> Many of these new donors are highly educated. The biggest groups of
>>> donors
>>> to the Dean and Kerry campaigns were employees of the University of
>>> California, Harvard, Stanford, Time Warner, Microsoft and so on.
>>>
>>> They tend to be to the left of the country, especially on social and
>>> security issues. They may not agree with Michael Moore on everything,
>>> but
>>> many enjoyed "Fahrenheit 9/11." Perhaps they are among the hundreds of
>>> thousands of daily visitors to Daily Kos and other blogs that savage
>>> Democrats who violate party orthodoxy.
>>>
>>> Many Republicans are mystified as to why the Democrats, having lost
>>> another
>>> election, are about to name Howard Dean as party chairman and have
>>> allowed
>>> Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy to emerge unchallenged as the loudest
>>> foreign
>>> policy voices.
>>>
>>> The answer, as Mickey Kaus observes in Slate, is that the party is
>>> following
>>> the money. The energy and the dough are in the MoveOn.org wing, which is
>>> not
>>> even a wing of the party, but the head and the wallet. Only the most
>>> passionate and liberal voices can stir up this network of online donors
>>> from
>>> the educated class.
>>>
>>> Howard Dean may not be as liberal as he appeared in the primaries, but
>>> in
>>> 1,001 ways - from his secularism to his stridency - he embodies the
>>> newly
>>> dominant educated class, which is large, self-contained and assertive.
>>>
>>> Thanks to this newly dominant group, the Democrats are sure to carry
>>> Berkeley for decades to come.
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:34:44 -0500
>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <0a7a01c50bec$0965efb0$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>> indeed,
>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European descent.
>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
>> will
>> betray his own people.
>>
>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>> comfort
>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>
>> Peace.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>>
>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>
>>> War,
>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>> Lies.
>>> Bush
>>> is the
>>> Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mb-civic mailing list
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>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:45:50 -0500
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <001a01c50bed$963c5c20$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of the
>> scripture are of jewish descent
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>> indeed,
>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
>>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
>>> descent.
>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
>>> will
>>> betray his own people.
>>>
>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>> comfort
>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>>
>>> Peace.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>> War,
>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>>> Lies.
>>>> Bush
>>>> is the
>>>> Anti-Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:48:35 -0500
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <006801c50bed$f87b1de0$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> george bush and all the nixon crew are both of european and of jewish
>> descent
>> ?
>> all christians are ian
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>> indeed,
>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece," the
>>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
>>> descent.
>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
>>> will
>>> betray his own people.
>>>
>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>> comfort
>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>>
>>> Peace.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>
>>>> War,
>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>>> Lies.
>>>> Bush
>>>> is the
>>>> Anti-Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:06:07 -0500
>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <0aab01c50bf0$6bb77950$99ca6c42 at ianb0ky45i5r2b>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Richard:
>>
>> I'm surprised at you. While Peter and his "group" preached to the Jews,
>> Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not of
>> Jewish descent. In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are not
>> of
>> Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or
>> converted
>> to Christianity.
>>
>> Peace.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
>>> the
>>> scripture are of jewish descent
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>>> indeed,
>>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
>>>> the
>>>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
>> descent.
>>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
>> will
>>>> betray his own people.
>>>>
>>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>>> comfort
>>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>>>
>>>> Peace.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>
>>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>>>
>>>>> _____
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>
>>>>> War,
>>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>>>> Lies.
>>>>> Bush
>>>>> is the
>>>>> Anti-Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>>>
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>>>>> Mb-civic mailing list
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:12:04 -0500
>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Message-ID: <007a01c50bf1$4056a050$6e436c42 at hotprojects>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> peace yourself
>> the european christians
>> currently are all of jewish descent
>> how could they not be?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>
>>
>>> Richard:
>>>
>>> I'm surprised at you. While Peter and his "group" preached to the Jews,
>>> Paul and his "group" preached to the Gentiles, who were decidedly not of
>>> Jewish descent. In this regard, the vast majority of Christians are not
>> of
>>> Jewish descent, except for those who became "messianic Jews," or
>>> converted
>>> to Christianity.
>>>
>>> Peace.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects at nyc.rr.com>
>>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>> ian all christians particularly if taken in the historical context of
>> the
>>>> scripture are of jewish descent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ian" <ialterman at nyc.rr.com>
>>>> To: <mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> All:
>>>>>
>>>>> Scripturally, it is highly unlikely that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or,
>>>> indeed,
>>>>> any American is, or will become, the Antichrist or his "mouthpiece,"
>> the
>>>>> False Prophet. What little Scripture actually speaks of or infers the
>>>>> Antichrist's personal history infers that he will be of European
>>> descent.
>>>>> And the Scripture makes very clear that the "False Prophet" - the
>>>>> Antichrist's "right-hand man" - will be of Jewish descent, because he
>>> will
>>>>> betray his own people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush may or may not be evil: he certainly toes the line. But, small
>>>> comfort
>>>>> that it may be, he is neither the Antichrist nor his assistant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michael Butler" <michael at michaelbutler.com>
>>>>> To: "Civic" <mb-civic at islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
>>>>> <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:47 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] Anti-Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a heavy exchange of messages.
>>>>>> I hate to think it might be true.
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>>>> From: "ace" <ace at aceross.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 07:00:31 -0800
>>>>>> To: <mb-hair at islandlists.com>
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who Killed Kennedy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Behalf Of richard haase
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:27 AM
>>>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bush is not the anti christ
>>>>>> bush is the spokesperson/ front man
>>>>>> one of the things with the glowing eyes in back of him
>>>>>> rumsfeld cheney etc; whatever is left over from the nixon days etc
>>>>>> what is standing behind bush is the anti christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Hippie Dictionary <mailto:hippiedictionary at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: mb-hair at islandlists.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:33 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Anti-christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> War,
>>>>>> Forsaking the Poor,
>>>>>> Favoring the Rich,
>>>>>> Religious Intolerance,
>>>>>> Polluting Our Earth,
>>>>>> Bankrupting our Children,
>>>>>> Lies.
>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>> is the
>>>>>> Anti-Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Mb-civic mailing list
>>>>>> Mb-civic at islandlists.com
>>>>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-civic
>>>>>
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>>
>>
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