[Mb-civic] Ian's response re EMAIL WITH A FRIEND

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Re:  Ian's response re EMAIL WITH A FRIEND

Ian wrote:

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The dark forces do not "come" from organized religion.
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Bullshit.

The "dark forces" emanate from several sources on this planet.

One of the MOST POWERFUL of them all HAS BEEN and REMAINS "Organized Religion".

And will CONTINUE to remain so in THE FUTURE.

If you're going to sit there and lie to everyone about it, at least do it 
with a more convincing argument.

Just about everyone and their dog knows these days (actually, they don't, 
because they're still too fucking brainwashed by *Organized Religion*) that 
from the inception of "Organized Religion" itself, beside all the "good 
stuff" that may have come from it, MANY of the Top People (you remember 
them, the priests, bishops, kings, popes, etc) have used "Organized 
Religion" for their own personal, political, and financial reasons and gain.

Persecuting and defaming and destroying and murdering about a ZILLION 
people ALL OVER EARTH and ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD.

AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT TODAY.

With no disrespect intended, however, if you are going to sit here and 
state that you are a relatively knowledgeable "scholar of world religions", 
but feel you are driven by your own dogmas, constructs, and allegiances to 
"Organized Religion" and its PROPAGANDA because, short of any other 
reasons, you are A Priest, again, please, at least do it more convincingly.


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I also agree that we all have the right to believe in whatever we want, and
to say so.
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This remains a paradox.

You "agree that we all have the right to believe in whatever we want, and 
to say so", however, as a firm Christian, your religion's mandates 
*mandate* that even as you are doing so, you already firmly believe that 
anyone and everyone who *does not believe* that "Jesus Is The Only One" is 
going straight to Hell and staying there with no reprieve, just as The 
Bible states.


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However, as I'm sure you would agree, we also have a responsibility to try 
to (humbly, patiently, lovingly) convince others of the correctness of our 
point of view if we truly believe they are misguided - whether spiritually, 
politically,
economically, or otherwise.
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That directly above paragraph is, unfortunately, just not the *complete* 
way of this current world, nor the way of an enormous group of "religious 
people", including a vast segment of "Christianity" itself.

Even within the various "Denominations" of Christianity itself, many of 
them basically hate each other, and *know* that, for the most part, anyone 
but themselves are "going to Hell".

The Baptists =normally= do NOT invite the Catholics, nor their Priests, to 
come and have "fellowship", nor, God help us, preach an actual sermon.

And the list of THAT goes on forever, as even Christianity itself remains 
in opposition to itself if you "do not belong to our specific denomination".

Other than occasionally providing a "place to worship" "etc" for some 
people of some communities (in America), "Organized Religion" remains 
exactly what it was when =MEN= created it.

A Racket.

I believe one of the FURTHEST things from God's mind when he woke up one 
day was NOT to create "Organized Religion".  In fact, it most likely 
remains one of the most hated things on his list.

What a Racket.

One, still, does not normally think of a nice little family unit sitting on 
a pew in a church somewhere singing a hymn softly out of a little songbook 
on a Sunday? as being responsible for the vast amount of persecutions, 
defamings, manipulations, and murders that "Organized Religion" still 
manages to happily carry on with even today just as they have for Centuries.

That is mainly because they are NOT in charge of all the little coins and 
bills that they place in the little offering plate as it passes down their 
row going to some undetermined location.

The *Top People* are.  Just as they always have been.

Ever since they painted a picture on the wall of a cave, pointed to it and 
called it "God", and watched as "The Masses" bowed down to it, kissed their 
asses, and they thought to themselves "Hmmm, I *like* this, maybe I can do 
something with it...".

They certainly did.

There remains a VAST chasm between Organized Religion and Spirituality.

Today you would need a crowbar made from miracles themselves and crafted by 
God's hand himself, to pry the 2 apart, as Organized Religion remains "In 
Charge" of the mindsets of their "lowly sheep".

Their "sheep" continue to look up to them, respect them, obey them, and put 
as much money in that little plate as it is passing down that row in that 
church as they possibly can.

Apparently not a d*mn thing has changed in Centuries.

Unless one wishes to count up all the various investments that "Organized 
Religion" has thrown their "sheep's" little offerings in to.

Satellite systems, munitions factories, chemical companies, wall street, 
etc etc yada yada yada etc.

Meanwhile, many of the "sheep", after putting their little money in that 
little plate, go home, have a meager dinner, and wonder as they go to sleep 
how they are going to get food for their families tomorrow, or even shoes 
for their children.

Indeed, not a d*mn thing has changed in Centuries.

If you, or anyone else, is going to sit here and try to sell "The Virtues 
Of Organized Religion", you damn well better have one hell of a hotshot 
monkey that does the hula to such music, or you're fresh out of luck.



By the way, as far as that "Inner Light" stuff you "don't want anything to 
do with":


MT 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, 
thy whole body shall be full of light.

LK 11:36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, 
the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle 
doth give thee light.


I just have a funny feeling Jesus wasn't talking about swallowing a light bulb.

But just plain old ordinary down home  ="Inner Light"=.

 From the words of "The Master" himself............


In closing, there are many, if not all, precepts, tenets, concepts, 
teachings, etc, within the Christian "religion" that are good.

Even though I prefer to refer to them as "The Teachings Of Christ", and 
exclude "Religion" and Men's and Prince's of this world's "interpretations" 
of such things.

I just do not believe that Jesus is going to come back in a hurricane of 
heavenly fire etc and destroy about 70 percent of the world's population 
because they don't specifically "believe in him as the one and only one", 
but instead have been doing good things, being kind to one another, and 
cultivating God's green earth, but made the mistake of worshipping some guy 
named "Sam" or "Whomever", who for Centuries taught things almost exactly 
like Jesus himself.

I think that both "Jesus" and "God" are both more humane and more 
intelligent than their innumerable Human "Interpreters".

I will continue to put my faith in "God", whoever or whatever he or that 
is, rather than the Princes of This World, who remain so numerous and 
dubious in their wisdom that I no longer think about their deviations from 
truth, light, and well-being.


On another serious note, if you can give me the instructions to cast out 
demons, heal people, and bind Hell and the Prince of The Air, as we're 
going through it all, I would be most thankful.





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- Where has the sparrow gone now that I need its song.